A New Story About Aging

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We've been taught to think of growing older as a one-way road. Wear and tear, slowing down, letting go, but then nature it it it tells a different story, listen. Um let me give you an example. There is a creature in the ocean that when it is stressed, injured, or reaching the end of its life, simply begins again. And today's guest believes that understanding that biology might change everything about how we think about aging, healing, and what the human body is actually capable of. So welcome to Healthy Mind, Healthy Life. Listeners, I am Sana, your host, and yes, this is where we have real grounded conversations about mental and emotional well-being. The kind that actually meet you where you are. So, listeners, today I'm joined by someone uh so let me let me introduce a bit, uh share a bit about him with all of you. So he's a homeopathic doctor, he's also co-founder of Immortal Wellness, whose work sits at the crossroads of regenerative biology, longevity, and the science of how the body finds its way back to balance. So, listeners, let's get into the conversation and let's welcome our guest, Dr. Adam Sismann. Dr. Adam, welcome to the show and I'm really, really up for this conversation.

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Thanks for having me here.

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Why The Immortal Jellyfish Matters

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Okay, uh, before we before we uh get into all the big ideas, regeneration, aging, longevity, um, let's let's uh you know talk about the humble jellyfish. Um probably the moment you know when which changed things for you as well. So you have built a whole body of work inspired by a jellyfish. Um I mean, most people would hear that. Uh I mean I cannot predict the responses, but you know, they would just kind of feel wondering, okay, why, how, um, or maybe you know, the maximum like smile politely and that's it, that's it. But what did you actually see in that in in jellyfish that made you think uh, yeah, this matters for us, for human beings right now?

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Well, I mean, it before we go into that, I mean, it came from I was in pursuit of disease generally and like the factors that cause us to get sick. And then I I realized, I mean, it's quite an obvious realization, but the the major cause of us getting sick is is aging. You know, as we age, you know, senescence creeps in, zombie DNA creeps in, and all these disease processes begin, which were kept at bay as we were younger. So um I I looked around at different strategies for how this sort of defeating of death is accomplished in the natural world. And turns out there's quite a few. I mean, I'm not gonna go into them, but there's a lobster which s stimulates telomerase, which keeps the the telomeres long. There's a like uh a worm that can clone itself, but a lot of these relied on sort of very weird biochemistry that wasn't necessarily gonna suit the human condition. So when I stumbled upon the immortal jellyfish, teratops is dawny, I got quite excited because what happens with this creature, and it's tiny, it's the size of your pinky nail. It's like literally, it's maybe five centimeters. Well, not five centimeters, it's like maybe two, three centimeters long by maybe a centimeter wide. It's tiny. This thing floats in the ocean, and when it gets injured or it ages, it sends a message to its cells to begin this process of regeneration. Now, the message is applicable to us. What it does after that, we don't necessarily have the DNA for because it it turns on an orfareous genes in order to reduce the cells to like a primordial mush, like um like uh a jelly, you know, like the undifferentiated stem cells, and then it basically blooms again. So if you want to think of it as an image, or it'd be like uh a flower that flowers and then gets scratched, and then it dissolves back into jelly and turns into a flower again. Um it does this by dropping to the bottom of the ocean, and in a process of maybe three to five days, it basically reblooms, it forms again. So, so I I mean, as a homeopathic doctor, I'd done a lot of work with um with water um and programming of water. That's largely what homeopathy is about. But so I thought, would it be possible to to distill this this message? So I was able to capture a homeopathic version and then actually synthesize a protein, which is the this peptide, this messenger, which basically tells the cells to return to an earlier version of themselves. So I mean, obviously, we can do this topically, like on the skin, we can apply it directly to skin, so it's very useful in creams, or we can take it internally and have a systemic effect, but then we're we're kind of dependent on um what the body perceives is most important to actually focus on. So, I mean, for example, if your liver was impacted and you took the jellyfish, it would begin the process of regenerating the liver. Or, you know, what when people sort of taking this, when I was I was experimenting with it, um, you know, what what people found was just more life force, more energy. Walkers became runners, runners became trail runners, trail runners became skydivers. You know, everyone sort of had more energy than they'd had before. So they actually leveled up to a higher level of exercise because they literally had more energy. Um, so this shows what it can do systemically, what it can do topically, obviously, is you know, we see this in in skin cells where you you put it on the skin cell and it actually begins to regenerate the skin cell or the skin cell, even like cancerous cells, are returned to an earlier version of themselves, which doesn't include the distortion. So, what we're seeing is a boosting of the immune system, a regeneration of the cells. You know, when we we put these drops in the eye, you know, I have a product called immortal eyes. And when we drop this in the eyes, what there's a condition called floaters, and it's it's a condition where the the vitreous humor, the liquid, the jelly in the eye becomes thicker, it becomes stickier, denser um over time. And this is largely a function of age, sometimes of disease. But when we put this in the eye, a lot of these floaters would disappear as this this liquid, this gel would become more liquid, it would become more able to move and stretch as opposed to clumping, you know. You think of clumping up in in tea or something. So we we saw, you know, the the more fast dividing the the cells are, um, the more dynamic the experience is, the the more radical we were able, I mean the more radical the effect we were able to see in in certain circumstances. So that was the immortal jellyfish in a nutshell. And

From Jellyfish Signal To Peptide

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you know, I I've then added it to I even used various like Hindu mantras. I've did a Lakshmi version, I did a Vishnu one, I did a Shiva one, I did a Kali white. Because I wanted to add like flavors to this this message because in the homeopathic form, well, it's it's not entirely homeopathy what I do. It's I take take the frequency, but then I multiply it and I amplify it. I use the memory of water to basically layer itself more layers on top. If you imagine like uh a log with the the lines when you cut the log, like the more lines is the more the the ult is so what I was doing, I was like layering frequency on top of each other to create a much stronger effect. So that instead of like a little stone dropping in the water, we have like a grapefruit that gets hurled in the water, creating a much bigger effect. And this is this is what happens when you know we do this and then we give it to people, the people, you know, even the skeptics, um, and there are lots of skeptics out there that start to feel it. If it they are like, wow, I feel more alive, you know, nails were growing faster, hair was growing faster, skin was regenerating faster. I mean, I at one point I had to cut my nails twice a week, you know, such was the the speed of the cellular growth. I mean, still, it's like I have to cut them far more often than I used to because this it just stimulates more life force, which means faster growth of these fast abiding tissues. So, yeah, it's a very exciting discovery in terms of um the biology of aging.

Aging And Unfinished Emotional Weight

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Now, you know, this, as I said, this came out of a much deeper question. Like, what is it that's causing us to age and ultimately get sick? And obviously, aging is a major part of it, but some of my other remedies deal with the mental and emotional components behind aging. Um, and and well, death. I mean, death is a fire is a final process, but like the process of getting there. So, I mean, as we get older, we become more weighed down with the worries of the world, we have more memory. Um, you know, older people become more stooped because they're they're carrying more weight, they've got more patterning. So a lot of my other work um with immortal wellness is is around actually going into these unfinished patterns um and removing them, allowing them to come to completion. You know, I have uh another remedy called um called liberation, which um the centerpiece of liberation is actually uh it's an Indian formula um called Navaratna. I don't know if you know this, but it's it was made by Nagajuna. He was a third-century Buddhist alchemist and he burnt like nine gems um a hundred times. For those people who don't know what Navaratna is, it's nine gems. I know you know, but some of the Americans might not. But it's nine gems, and each gem has been burnt a hundred times. And it's essentially a karmic medicine, and that's one of the ingredients in this liberation. And what that does, it basically finishes off the stories of the past. So all the unfinished relationships, it all produce that person in a dream, and we'll have the conversation we always wanted to have so that we can actually move on. And the the the net effect of this is that we we feel a lot lighter in ourselves because we're not carrying as much of the unfinished baggage. You know, when we think of karma, we often think of what happened. But the truth is the other side of karma or the the like the other side of the coin of karma is like what didn't happen. Um, and this is the stuff we wanted to happen but didn't happen. So it's almost like this arrow came into us, it broke off, and we're not able to pull it out because we don't know how the story ended. So, what happens a lot with this liberation is people dream about people from their past or dead relatives and they come into their world and they have an experience with them, they meet them, they interact with them. Um, you know, it's it's not only in dreams. So, you know, I gave it to a friend of mine in Dubai, and she she said three of her ex-boyfriends phoned her on the same day. So it's obviously just to finish off the story, just to like, okay, let's finish off with this so that we can clear the slate and have something new. Um, so you know, I've I've gone quite deeply into the the various causes of aging because I mean, obviously, the more stuff we're carrying, the slower will we will be. You know, there's I mean, the I've got a new remedy called Universal Panacea, which is dealing with um, it's it's coming more from an alchemical um perspective, and their view on disease is diseases as the result of residue buildup in the body. So think think like rust. Um, but rust for us would be arteriosclerosis, it would be like gallstones, it would be like kidney stones, it would be um, you know, lung adhesions, it would might be like brain calculi. So, you know, just just like the rust of existence. And obviously, the the older we get, the more of that there is. So this is working on clearing that out. Um and then I have another remedy called closure, which is about finishing the scenarios in our in our life. So, you know, if someone had been through a traumatic event, it'll take one back to the event, but then take you out, you know, the with a pleasant experience so that we're able to remove the event. But, you know, so much of our life, we're just playing out a lot of the body memories reaction to the past. You know, if we've been bitten by a dog when we were younger, we whenever we see a dog, we'll flinch. But if we have enough good examples of friendly dogs coming up to us and petting the dog and the dog loving us, that'll break this negative imprint. Um, but this is what this remedy closure does. It goes into the the story where there's a fracture, um, where there's like tension or stress or pain or trauma, and it'll it'll almost like walk you out into a better scenario. And in so doing, a lot of the weight of the past kind of is able to be shed. So, you know, I've I've really gone at this whole aging thing and health thing from a very different perspective, in that I've looked at like what are all the factors, not just the physical factors, because a lot of medicine focuses on, you know, the supplements around aging and like diet and exercise. And and we all know that we all know eat a good diet, exercise, these are parts of health. Um, the jellyfish is another part, but you know, the the mental and emotional component is not as easy to to focus on or actually even get back to. So this has been a lot of the the gist of my work. You know, the jellyfish has kind of led me to this because it made me realize that, you know, any solution which is not doesn't cover all aspects of us will be incomplete and will fail ultimately because we're not just these physical things with cells, millions of cells which we can feed. You know, every week there's a numerical supplement that's supposed to cure this or that or make us live forever. But, you know, the truth is, I mean, and this is from many years of research, is that there are many factors at play here, and we really get traction when we address all of them simultaneously. Then we can actually move forward with this, you know, like the the remedy I was talking about, liberation as I was taking this, it literally worked through all my old girlfriends, all my broken friendships, my family, then acquaintances, until I was kind of clear with all of that. It felt like the the space was clean. I didn't have any unresolved stuff. And the feeling in the body was just, oh, I felt light. I felt, you know, non-weighed down by the unfinished stories of the past. And, you know, this is what children have, you know, they're they're not weighed down by the past. They're not concerned because they don't have that much past because they're younger, obviously. Um, it's only as we get older we and we're we're not taught how to deal with the emotional, you know, conflict situational stuff, which is part of life, that we actually start to we begin to age, you know, then all this unresolved stuff is sitting somewhere in the body and it's slowing us down. So my attitude with this is like if one simultaneously goes to clear the mental, the emotional, and give a huge jolt to the physical in terms of a regenerative jolt. So to say, return to an earlier, healthier version of yourself while clearing a lot of the mental and emotional stuff from the past, then we can actually move forward quite quickly with this this whole aging thing and we can actually push it back. You know, someone asked me the other day, we're like, well, what makes you think we're not designed to die? And it's like, well, we weren't designed to fly until we invented the airplane. Now we can fly. You know, we weren't designed to swim underwater until the aqualung was developed. Now we can do it. I mean, yes, with the aid of mechanical things, but you know, it's for me, this this jellyfish is it's a technology. It's an organic technology, which is, I think the reason it took people so long to discover it is this thing is so tiny. You know, people, I mean, in in science, they tend to focus on on the tiger or the elephant or the big animal, you know, the exotic thing, something which they can see. This tiny little jellyfish was sort of under everyone's um, you know, they would they would look past it because it wasn't seen to be very interesting. But in truth, it contains one of the secrets of the universe and was sitting there almost in a way waiting for us to discover in order to bring into the world now so we can use it to to regenerate. I mean, there's there's other questions around like, well, do we as a species should we be living longer? Um yeah. And I think that's that's another story. But I I don't think everyone is gonna pursue this because it requires one to go on a journey with this. It's not like, oh, just take this one tablet and then you'll live to be 150. It's like, okay, well, you might take four or five separate remedies working on different components, and it'll it'll begin sending you on a journey, uh a reverse journey to clear a lot of the stuff from your past first, and then then one could proceed to move forward. But I don't I don't believe it's it's for everyone because it it requires um not effort, but you know, some degree of commitment or interest or a lot of people are just interested in the day-to-day. Um, I mean, if they knew this was possible, yes, they would do it, especially as they get older. But often as people get older, they get sicker. So, you know, when we're young, we don't even think of aging. You know, it's like, what's aging? You know, and then we get to like 50 or whatever, it's like, oh wait, hold on. I don't have as much energy in the morning. Um I'm not feeling as strong, but now I'm feeling stronger than I used to feel, you know, even five, 10 years ago. So I'm definitely improving on various levels mentally and physically. So I I'm very excited about where this whole thing is going. I mean, we'll only know in 20 years, but yeah, that's state of the nation.

Skepticism Evidence And Lifestyle Reality

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Yeah, and and and I mean, if we look at um yeah, in in India as well, um there are like branches, and these may not um be currently supported by um uh the scientific evidences or for especially for treating serious medical conditions, especially when we look at aging, um, I think it's such a natural process. But then if we look at the current context in the modern context, I think uh now people are talking about premature aging, premature grain, premature aging, uh somebody who is in their 30s or in their uh late 20s, they may feel like you know, tired all the day. And and and I think most of it um can be traced back to the lifestyle choices, uh, or maybe sometimes, you know, um the conditions or the circumstances on which we don't have any control uh holding on to. Um I mean, they can be environmental reasons as well. But um my question, and this is a bit more like a skeptical one, uh Adam, that especially, you know, uh regarding the jellyfish biology, how do you see the the uh conventional medical world or the medicine world responding to this? Because um it can look like as uh just a claim, uh, or sometimes it can also be identified as a misinformation because it can be sometimes misinterpreted as you know this magical pill or magical remedy that can actually reverse age. But then let's say for a person who is taking the remedy, but uh at the same time not making any um any substantial changes in their lifestyle, they may not see the effects in there. Um, I mean, I'm I'm just kind of you know imagining a uh a situation in there.

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Yeah, this is it's always to some extent subjective. I mean, there are biomarkers you can check, but what what we did see, and I've literally thousands of people have taken this now, and I've got I've got amazing results in terms of like what's what's happened with this. It hasn't hasn't gone worldwide yet because I I I was focused on the other components of aging. Um because I mean uh the mind is also the mind in our history is is that's probably my first love, you know, like in terms of focus. And you know, the the aging thing, you know, I went down. The kind of aging route with the jellyfish, I mean, almost as far as I could go, until I realized that without the other components, um this was doomed to fail. But what we did find, I mean, when you talk about lifestyle, is people automatically started gravitating towards better foods and eating. Or I mean, obviously, we can't address people's genetic factors. If someone has some terrible genetic disease in their past, it's like there's nothing we're going to be able to do against that. And, you know, to do a proper, you know, study on this, you would actually need to take a person and then actually clone them and then feed the one jellyfish and then the other not, and then see what would happen. But you know, when we're comparing a group, you know, I've I've done surveys with this, and on the whole, people reported generally like much, much higher levels of energy, generally, faster, faster growth of nails, of hair. You know, there were specific demonstrable things that we could use as um tags to to actually show how this was working. Now, you know, it it gets a little bit complicated because when you ingest something, um, the jellyfish, it's going systemically. So you can't say, oh, it's going to work on your liver or your heart or your, you know, we had people who, you know, ended up needing less um insulin, for example, some of the diabetics. They needed less insulin because the pancreas was working better, you know, or some guy with stage four cancer, he started doing much better, you know, because you know, he had more energy to get up and run around and do stuff before he was just lying in the house. So, I mean, there are, you know, cases where it's been used against quite specific heavy pathology and it's come up smiling, but it's not, it's not absolute exactly where it's going to work. So I could take it and it could do certain things. I can I can tell you from what I've seen over like the thousands of people who've taken it, generally what people experience, and this is what I've what I've talked about is increased, you know, energy. There's there's also phases when people take this. There's a phase where people often feel very tired and they need to rest. You know, they they need to the body's saying, like, look, sit down, rest, or they'll go to the fridge and just eat everything in the fridge and not put on uh a gram of weight because the body's literally saying, Look, I need the nutrients to rebuild some of the structures in your body. So, you know, it's very much an individualized process. And even what happens when people take it, some people get a full-on burst of energy and then go into like the hungry phase or the tired phase, which is when the body's rebuilding. Some of them go straight into the rebuilding phase and get quite tired and then boost up later. So it's, you know, because we are so individual, um, and everyone's biochemistry is working the same, but we have different priorities. And, you know, what we often don't see is people's level of exhaustion. You know, people are very good at covering exhaustion and they'll they'll smile and carry on. You might see dark rings under the eyes or you know, a bit of lethargy here and there, but you know, we don't really know what's what's inside them, what's happening on the cellular level with the liver, with the kidneys. You know, we we don't know what's happening. So we're never entirely sure what's going to happen. But, you know, I would say about 90% of the people, I mean, just as a as a as a statistic, 90% reported faster nail growth. I mean, it's hard to do a, you know, so it's like basically nine out of ten people said they noticed a clear and obvious growth in their nails and their hair, you know, hair growing longer and thicker and healthier and stronger, you know. These were very easy vectors to to monitor. But, you know, I mean, to do to do a proper double blind test, you'd almost need to take Jenny, two Jennies, the same biochemistry. So maybe if you took twins who had the same lifestyle and the same exactly identical genetics and tested them, gave one and the other not, then you'd be able to see. But, you know, when we're testing against a group, we can use, I'm not testing it against a specific condition. You know, the condition of aging is more is partly experiential, partly you can monitor, you know, the cellular age, but some of that is, you know, dependent on lifestyle. You know, someone can be 40 and have the cellular age of a 60-year-old, and vice versa. So, you know, uh there have been very few people who've taken this who have not felt a boost in, you know, in Chinese medicine, they talk about Jing, which is like life, life force. Um, and the Jing is often manifested through perceived, through like the this the accelerated nail growth and hair growth, and inspiration and desire to do things. And this is what we saw as well. A lot of people, you know, had this renewed interest and energy to actually accomplish things. Um, yeah, but as as I said, it it only went so far, and that's why I did different versions.

Emotions As Brakes On Regeneration

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But then I realized okay, that you can boost the biology, but you really have to clear the obstacles because the obstacles are like the brake on the car. Now you can have a really powerful engine, you can rev it, but if the brakes are on, it's gonna hold it back. So, you know, a lot of the the brakes are not physical, it's it's mental and emotional, and what that then does to our biochemistry. And that's that's much harder to to to monitor, like what anger does to our liver. It's very hard to monitor this stuff because like how much anger for how long, and then what effect did it have on liver or enzymes? We know sugar sort of suppresses the immune system, but in terms of how emotions work related to the biochemistry, we're still in our infancy with that. We're nowhere near being close enough to be able to map that kind of stuff because it's it's so fast, it happens so quickly. You know, it can be angry and it's gone. But but we all know the feeling of like almost having a car accident and then the the adrenaline pumping through our system, and then we almost feel nausea. So it's clear that these um these emotions do have physiological effects, but the long-term physiological effects are very hard to monitor. Um but you know, this new remedy I made closure is people were I it basically got 70 or 80 percent improvement in people's relationship with the world. So ability to control their emotions, not to get drawn into things, seeing their patterns for what they were, being able to step outside of themselves. And, you know, that to me is equally as exciting as the immortal jellyfish, that we have something that can allow us control over the emotions. So that, you know, there's all these cases where you know, angry people and then they get liver cancer and the association of anger with the liver. And I've seen it, you know. So I've seen that in in clinical practice, I've seen that, and it's it's real, but it's hard to demonstrate. You know, you can show the liver cancer and say, okay, this person has is a very angry person, there we go. But there's also some that suppress anger and they also get liver cancer. So yeah, I mean, I I guess what I'm saying is that it's quite it's quite a complicated subject, and there's that there's many parts to it, and we're we'll kind of best serve by addressing this as all the parts simultaneously as much as possible, because then we can actually get headway because we don't want the mind and the emotion dragging us back or the physicals moving ahead and that's lagging behind or the other way around. So we, you know, the more we can take the brake off, we can push the accelerator, we can increase the engine. I mean, for example, with you know, one of the first things I noticed about um the jellyfish was the blood flow. You know, I was in in winter. Um winter here. I mean, it's not like winter in in Bangalore, but um I feel it's it's still it's cold, but not that cold. It's not like America cold, but you know, I was wandering around in my t-shirt because the blood flow was very strong and it was I was like, oh wow, I'm actually not getting cold. And it wasn't so much that I wasn't getting cold, but the blood flow was strong enough so that I was able to heat the body quite effectively. So, you know, and a lot of the the disease processes stem from this, from you know, poor blood flow. So if we're just increasing the blood flow, um, you know, I even made a product called Miracle 2, which, you know, is to, you know, improve the blood flow in the gums and the the nerves in the teeth, you know, because I had to go to a dentist and he was about to give me a root canal, and then he was telling me about why, you know, why I was getting this problem. And he was saying, oh, the blood supply to the nerve is being diminished. So I used this this remedy on my on my teeth, you know, I sprayed it on repeatedly, and I never had the root canal, you know. I mean, it's just one instance, but it just showing how like increased blood supply to an area means better functionality of that area. And um yeah, that's that's very exciting. You know, I mean, well, I guess what I'm saying here is there's there's so many areas that can be explored with this. And I mean, there's only me, so I don't have that much time for I have some time for research, but I my my passion is really development and kind of like the cutting edge of where we can go with this and how we can build uh a system that's so beautiful and so comprehensive that we can actually offer this to people as like, okay, well, if you consume these three or four remedies, this will actually propel you into a healthier mental and physical space without a lot of the the weight of your emotions and more control over that. And then then we can actually, then we won't age as fast. And I mean, whether we then live to 100 or 150, I mean, at this stage, I'm what, 57? I'll happily go for like 150, you know? Because as you get older, you start to, you don't, you start to look back, not forward. So yeah. So it's a good drive for me as well to to know that like, okay, this is age and it's not slowing down unless I slow it down, but it's a challenge, you know. So that's how I've I've taken taken this whole thing on as a challenge to see how we can actually, you know, evolve beyond something. I mean, in in a similar way that, you know, before mankind had steel, you know, or gunpowder or the wheel, you know, there was a very different society. But then when these things came in, they allowed us to forge weapons, to plow, to, you know, we could do a lot more things that we couldn't do and we weren't reliant on being so this is in a way like an evolutionary step, I see. Um the morality, I mean, uh, that's another story, but that's a separate discussion.

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I think this can go for our for a while. Exactly. As we are short on time, I have to wrap

Where To Learn More And Farewell

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this up. But before that, Adam, uh, if our listeners, um, they would like to explore more. Uh, what what other ways they can reach out to you or explore more about it.

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I mean, I've got two two hubs at the moment. One's in South Africa, where I am, it's www.beyondicine, B-E-Y-O-N-D, Medicine, M-E-D-I-C-I-N-E.co.z o um but we don't generally ship overseas. Um, but for for most of the world, it's um immortal wellness, immortal-i-w-m-o-r-t-a-l, wellness, w e-l-n-e-s-s.net. Um, that's the American branch, and um that ships pretty much worldwide. Um, but yeah, if they want to check out some of the information, um there's slightly different branding, but it's it's exactly the same, it's the same stuff that's in all of them. We'll just you know change the branding a bit for the different countries. Um, but there's a lot on you know the technology there and the the experiences, and yeah, I mean if people want more, they can get it all there.

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Super listeners, I'll have all the links in the show notes. Uh so yeah, and uh thank you so much, uh Adam, for being here and uh of course for the work that you're doing. And uh to all my listeners, I hope this conversation gave you a little more curiosity about your own body and a little more kindness and compassion toward wherever you are in the process of growing. Uh, and if this episode meant something to you, share it with someone who needed it, and I'll be back with more conversations like this one. Until then, take care of your mind, take care of your heart, and take care of yourself. Thank you so much.