When The Script Stops Fitting

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The moment you realize that the life you were handled the script you were following the job you were all to want None of it actually fits these are the moments usually people they never wouldn't talk what you want to talk about and then you have two choices either you can keep performing it or you can walk off the path entirely and build something of your own the second one is harder, it's also quietly the only way some of us survive and today we are sitting down with someone who chose the second. So,

Meet Tim And His Unusual Path

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hi everyone, welcome back to Healthy Mind, Healthy Life. I am Swana, and this is the space where we slow down and have honest conversations about the inner work behind the outer life. He's founder of Indalco Yalepa, an eco hotel and community wellness project in Mexico. Tim's path is anything but linear. Let me tell you. Military family, 10 years of travel through some of the wildest corners of the world, then ADHD, dyslexia, and a deep jour personal journey with psychedelics that reshaped his relationship with himself and his work. So today we are going to talk about what it really takes to build a life that fits you, especially when the standard was not the one that never fitted you. So, Tim, welcome to the show, and I'm really honored having you here.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Hi Sanad, yeah, thank you very much for having me on your pod. I appreciate it and and good to meet you.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Absolutely. Uh yeah, thank you. Thank you so much. Uh just give me a quick second, Tim. I think uh it's badly, you know, there are some really heavy thunderstorms happening. I'm just quickly checking my mobile hotspot. I don't need to worry because this is going to get edited out. But I think we'll just be a bit careful.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

No problem. It seems uh it seems good right now. Yeah, it helps.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

You should be able to hear those at you. Sounds like it's like bombing an oil. Anyway, I'll just check it out. Okay. Okay, we can continue.

Redefining Resilience Beyond Toughness

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Let's uh start with uh a bit of an introspective um question. Um when you think about who you are today, um the person sitting across, you know, from me on this call, what's one thing about your life right now that surprises the version of you from you know 10 years ago?

SPEAKER_02 3:32

That's a great question. And just quickly, you're you're quite quiet on your end, so I'm not sure if um it's something to do with the mic. Um but in in terms of the question, something that surprises me uh from now relative to 10 years ago. Um, I mean, I've always known that I've been a bit of a black sheep, and what I mean by that is someone who has always fought against the status quo and gone against the grain, so to speak. Um, you know, and I come from a very regimented family, uh military family, and you know, it was it was uh the the idea of doing something that I'm like I'm doing today with with my hotel project and doing it in another country and you know doing it largely by myself. Um you know, I I'm not necessarily surprised by the uh the outcome. Um I would say I'm I'm I'm proud of I'm proud of me sticking to that um thought, passion, that initiative that led me to doing that. You know, I I think I I've got parents who've never really understood what it's like to be an entrepreneur or or follow your own path. Um, you know, they very much stuck to the program, stuck to the script. And so uh in terms of something that surprised me, um I'd I'd say my uh maybe my resilience, uh and not saying that I didn't think I was resilient before, but I think my definition of resilient was framed differently. It came through my older brother. So my my older brother's uh he's also military like my father, very successful, um, you know, both followed the exact same path. And so my my definition of resilience was um handed down through through them, which is you know being incredibly physically tough um and you know also um also mentally tough, but it's a different type of mental toughness. I don't necessarily think that it's a particularly healthy type of mental toughness in a lot of ways. And that's why you see people who are in the military um having a lot of problems when they leave the military is because they don't know how to um deal with those emotions because they've been told to you know shut up and get on with it their entire career. Um, and so you see a lot of issues with veterans and and and people like uh you know first responders. And so I think the resilience that I've um am proud of and um maybe a little bit sort of surprised by because my definition for resilience has changed. And my resilience is very much a resilience in the face of the unknown, like not knowing exactly where my path is taking me, and often choosing the perhaps riskier um part or the riskier path, sorry, um when I know sort of my my family and my father would have chosen the conservative path. And so I I'm and and whilst he's adventured for a lot of his life, like he's been all over the world in in the military, and um, you know, he's he's always had that support from an institution like that. And for me, you know, I've always done everything by myself, um, which I I d I wouldn't necessarily recommend to anyone. A lot a lot of what I talk about in in my life in in my my content is uh is isolation and doing these things by yourself. Um and and it's it's a big learning lesson and it teaches you a lot of things, but ultimately I don't think it's necessarily very healthy to um always try and go by yourself and um you know do these amazing big things. I mean, isolation is part of it, and if you want to do something extraordinary, uh isolation needs to be um your friend almost, and it it's hard to see it that way. But if you can integrate with the fact that um you're spending a lot of time by yourself, um, and that you know ultimately community is the the remedy for everything, but you know, your community aren't necessarily going to agree with what you're doing, or they might take um a personal affront to what you're doing because it's it's out there, it's beyond what they know and what they understand, and they can resent you for that. And so, whilst you have to be a friend to isolation, you also have to appreciate that the you know the answer at the end of the day is community, and if you do choose to go on your own path, then it may very well involve getting a new community of people who think like-minded. Um, so I don't know if I answered the question there, but I'm surprised at the form in which my resilience took, which is different from that of someone who spends their life in the military.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

No, you you did, Tim. Yeah, because there is um one uh single or you know, one uh textbook answer for this. And one thing which I really connect with is, and this is this is something that I uh kind of heard on uh another one of you know the episode that I recorded, I think a few very recently a few days back, that um yeah, we we may change. I mean, you know, we may uh become mature. Um, you know, when we look back at ourselves, maybe our our perception will will change um the way of approaching um aspects in life, whether it's it's business, entrepreneurship, it's money, or it's ourselves, your success, or you know, what exactly life is, it it may change, uh, most probably does for for almost every one of us. But I think um the very core or the fundamental part of us, um I think that is something we what uh what I realize and what I've I think you know it makes absolutely sense is we need to learn that core self of us, you know, that core, that that exact version of us. I mean, sometimes it it can take an entire lifetime to even understand who exactly you are, what are your core fundamental values? Um so um I absolutely connect with specially the way you mentioned about how you're uh looking at something which is resilience and you know it can be interpreted differently by different people. It changed over the years, and it's different right now, you know, usually what it is understood for.

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Not precisely. I think you've hit you've hit the nail on the head there, and um everything is up to its own interpretation, and if it's if it means something to you, it doesn't necessarily mean to mean anything um to someone else. And as long as you stay true to yourself and you don't um overly listen to other people's opinions, that that's been a big learning lesson for me. Is you know, I used to be um probably a bit more of a people pleaser than I am these days, and I think that's something that I've I've inherited from my mum who is a sweetheart, but she you know often puts her others above herself, uh which is you know commendable and honourable in a lot of ways, but can sometimes um be not so honourable to oneself. And so I I used to put a lot of emphasis into other people's opinions and and not trusting myself in in my own convictions and intuition. Um so that that's that's been quite a profound change for me is is being more comfortable with myself and not relying on on uh everyone else's opinions as um you know gospel, so to speak. Uh yeah, that's that's what I would contribute to that.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

That's that's really powerful, Tim, honestly. Honestly, and and um uh sometimes shedding these layers, it can be uh challenging. And I mean it doesn't happen often very glamorously or overnight. Um but it kind of feels like and and that's why um instead of looking at others and probably comparing, I think um and it it's not just for the sake of saying, but something which I kind of understand is uh we can look back at uh the version of ourselves maybe a few months or a few years back and kind of see, understand where we have come, um what's the difference in there? Are we still stuck in there or have we grown? Um so I think um sometimes that self-introspection can be a bit confronting, but uh in the long run, it's it's really freeing and liberating as well.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Absolutely, yeah. I can agree with you more.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Yeah, Tim, um okay. I I

Why The Conventional Path Feels Wrong

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want to also bring in uh a bit of uh in the misconception discussion because that's how we we start our discussions on on our shows that uh you know, especially around entrepreneurship and mental health. Um, you know, there's the story that people who don't fit into um the normal jobs or the normal ways uh they they are somehow broken, you know, lazy or difficult, and they they don't follow the the uh conventional standard template of you know how we imagine um someone to be. Um your story it's kind of you know sounds exactly like opposite of that. You you tried to fit uh and as you mentioned, but then you also realized that you know the people pleasing, this is not something it's hurting you, it was hurting you. Um what what do you think people get wrong about that experience of not belonging in a conventional path?

SPEAKER_02 14:36

I I think if I understand the cor question um correctly, uh do you mean uh what do people um do to break out of that conventional path, or or how do they get their mind in a place where they understand that they don't have to take the conventional path? Can you just clarify?

SPEAKER_00 15:01

Yeah, absolutely. No, so um this experience of that you know someone doesn't belong to that conventional path, uh what kind of misconception usually we have? Like how do we uh see it or how do we visualize it?

SPEAKER_02 15:20

Yeah, I I I think um being part of a you know, going back to people pleasing and expectations of others, like there's an expectation of you know your parents, as an expectation of society for you to follow that status quo, right? You know, people people, you know, the society needs you to, you know, be a train driver, be a bus driver, um, you know, work on this the sewers. For in order for society to function, that you you need those people and it's set up to do that. Um, and it's not necessarily set up for entrepreneurship. So you know, you're you're born into a society that wants you to fulfill a role, and you know, that it's very much um I call it industrial age thinking, you know, 1930s industrial age thinking, where that was how you survive. You know, you went to work in a factory, you had a big family, and um, you know, you provided doing manual labor because that's what the economy was was based on, uh, the industrial age. And now we we're going from the industrial into the information, and now in from the information age, even past that into now things like AI and all of that. So there's there's um that old way of thinking isn't necessarily um relevant anymore. I mean, I think it's being phased out, and you and you see that um with people losing jobs, and you know, and I think another mistake people make is um university and going to university as like a rite of passage, which it shouldn't be. You know, I I think at least in the case of the UK, um, you know, you can associate that with uh Tony Blair as a as a prime minister who said you know 50% of people should go to university. And it's like, well, should they? Um, okay, because if you if you do that and then you they have to pay for for it, right? And most people don't have 50,000 pounds, dollars, whatever, even more if you were from America, sitting in around, you know, so you you take on debt and then you begin your life on uh on a debt traject trajectory. And that's exactly what I did, um, because it was the thing to do. And so it it all comes down to, yeah, what what is the status quo, what is the thing to do, and um and it relates back into people pleasing and pleasing your parents who are of this old industrial age mindset. Um, and if you can trust your intuition enough to say, you know, I don't really want to do that, and I know my parents and I know and I know society are pushing me in that way, um, and just have have faith in your your own convictions, that's that's the most important thing. So I I think ultimately it comes down to a relationship with yourself and and fear, you know, shame, fear, fear of failing. Like people are people are super afraid to fail at anything. Like, what if I fail? And like the way I've come to learn about it is failing is a good thing because the faster you fail, the faster you can correct correct the course and the faster you can get to where you want to be, but you don't go through that without failing five or six times. And it's the same for me and my project. Like I've had, you know, four or five, uh, if not more, major setbacks, which have been um, you know, where it would have been a great opportunity to throw in the towel and say, well, you know, I tried and it was a g it was a nice pipe dream. Um and so yeah, I think I think ultimately everything comes down to the relationship with yourself.

Failure, Suffering, And Letting Go

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And also uh one more thing to add to that is the relationship to to suffering. And it sounds, it sounds crazy, um, but you know, suffering is painted as this bad thing, and you know, it it it is in all in ways, but it's also a beautiful thing in a lot in a lot of ways, and and it's an integral part of the human experience is is suffering. So, you know, the same way you know you need to integrate with your child, uh, you know, the child version of yourself who has all these um you know challenges and and things because they're new to the world, you've also got to integrate with with suffering and realize that um, and it sounds cliche, but nothing nothing comes easy in the world, nothing good comes easy, otherwise everyone would do it. And you know, the the bigger, the bigger the villain, the bigger the hero, the more the more you can put yourself through in the pursuit of something that is purposeful to you. And that's the thing. If you're suffering for, you know, status or money or um something else, then you're just suffering for the sake of suffering. But if you're suffering for something that you believe in and that it you know drives you, um then you know that's that's that's the reward. And it's not the another cliche, it's not the it's not the journey, it's the the it's not the destination, it's the journey, which you know it sounds very cliche and it is very cliche, but um part of my experience right now is is separing separating myself from the results of my my project because it you know go back a year or two and I was very much in a mindset of you know, who am I if this doesn't work? Like I put all my money and my time and my life into this, and what if it it doesn't work? Which is you know, it it ties into manifestation and all of that. And um, I do believe in that. I think it's a big a big part of it. Um, but if you if you tie your identity to something and you cling on to it as as um as much as possible, you're actively driving it away. And so in in my case, it's a case of you know remove yourself, or not my case, in any case, you have to kind of remove yourself from the goal. Um, you have to have a purpose, but remove yourself from the goal and focus on like who you're becoming in the in the interlude, in the in the journey. And that's why we realize the whole it's not the destination, it's the journey thing, like isn't just a cliche, it totally makes sense. And if you focus on the journey rather than the end result, you're gonna bring that end result closer to you um in a in a quicker time frame.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

And uh you know, you touched on so many aspects in there, Tim. It will sound cliche because that's what you know we at the end of all uh these conversations and uh end of the day, you know, we realize that yes, it is actually. Actually, journey and um it may be different for different people out there. The language can be different, people are different, places, different cultures, and everything different, but the kind of the main, you know, um main message or the biggest lesson is exactly that cliche thing. Um, so I mean you know sometimes you you have to kind of you know, yeah, it's it's it is a journey, it's not just about the destination. Um and because that is something that you realize through the years. And secondly also, Tim, um what I what I realize is I think so many of us, we um when we kind of you know begin with our our uh that journey of you know, we get into the outer world and we try to kind of find our own place in there that are fitting in there really strong. Um it's it's mostly from that point that how well we can fit in, you know, emphasizing on that fitting in that most of the times we kind of try to put on this a different kind of mask or that false, sometimes that false identity. I'm not saying that uh no, just show your the truest authentic selves everywhere. No, I mean, you know, uh there's there's a very fine line in there, but still, uh, you know, when you are aware that you are it's you know, you you cannot uh you cannot judge it's not uh it would be harsh to judge yourself just because you did not fit the usual template, and often you get kind of dictated by uh just trying to fit into those external standards in there, and you just beat yourself up to make sure that you know um because it kind of feels very alienated or or or uh different, um, you know, whether it's the schools or the workplaces um or or the societies. Um but you gotta feel like you're fighting with yourself. And it's it's it really feels exhausting, honestly. It really feels exhausting. Um I think that is something also um which I believe uh you know, when I was hearing um how you put it, that is something uh, you know, many people listening right now, they are walking around feeling like you know, there is something wrong with them. But when really the system they are just trying to fit into was uh probably never built for how they are wired. Uh to stop that it actually matters.

Culture Versus Authenticity

SPEAKER_02 25:03

And exactly what I would say to that is um you know it's it's it's culture. The culture is is um you know it it's a safety net. Um but in the words of Clarence McKenna, it's not your friend, because you know, the culture is another word for status quo, and whilst you feel comfortable, like I feel very comfortable in um the culture of my country, UK, and I I'm you know, I deeply resonate with it in a lot of ways, but I know it's also constrictive um and preventative because you know there's an assumption and there's a way that people behave, and and it's the easy thing to do is just to slide back into the system. And and it doesn't, I'm not necessarily referring to political or or or something, but like cultural anything. It can be anything, just the way how things are done. But when it comes to like pure authenticity and and what makes you tick, you have to remove yourself from culture because culture is going to tell you to go one way and authenticity is gonna tell you to do the other way. And so the constant battle with yourself that you're referring to, I think is a is a function of that. Um and I I get it all the time. Like um, you know, for instance, with me, I I I I still feel sometimes um that, you know, what if my my project doesn't work? And do I um, you know, do I start looking for alternatives? And you know, in in some ways, uh having a plan B is is um is a sensible thing to do, as my dad would say, always have a plan B. But you know, on the on the authentic side of that, it's like burn the bridges. You have to burn the bridges because if you give yourself a way out, then uh you know that you're you're manifesting the the the potentiality of it not working. So it's like the the end of the day, there isn't really a right answer. And so you can you can put as as much definition to a term or a frame of mind as you want, but there isn't a right answer, and you have to go with with your gut feeling, and and that could be you know safety. Hey, I I I I've I'm I want safety, I want friends, I want close family, I want all of that. And and that's not the you're not wrong if you do that. Like there's no like well, I think one of the dangerous things as well is like uh entrepreneurial uh entrepreneurialism is glamour uh glorify uh um that's the word glamorized um these these days, and I I think it's um it's amazing to be an entrepreneur, but it's not um it's it's it's not hard. Sorry, it's not it's not easy, it's it's incredibly challenging. And uh you know, uh and and if you're not cut out for it, then then that's that's also fine. You you can I know so many entrepreneurs um and who are incredibly visionary and incredibly unhappy because they're constantly stressed, they're constantly having to do everything, they're being pulled in seven different directions, and you know, they might be earning lots of money or they might not be earning that much money, but at the end of the day, I see a lot of people who um who didn't choose that path and are equally, if not more happy than if they they had done it. So I I think there's an over-glamorization of entrepreneurialism, and um, but you know, uh on the other hand, it's incredibly rewarding. And if you're happy in life to um, you know, get by and do a job and and um not have stress, then you know, kudos to you. But if you're not uh like I'm someone that I'm uh the sort of person that asks themselves that question, like, are you happy with this? Are you gonna be happy in 30 years' time if you look back and you know you didn't you didn't do it? I guess it's very much like a a what if, like what what if I didn't do that? Or fo or almost like FOMO. Um so and again, there's no right there's no right or wrong answer, but in terms of purpose, um, which is something that I strive for, then for me, the risk is worth the reward. And I'm still not on the uh other side of that that decision yet. You know, I still I still there could be something to go wrong, and and you know, um that's still a possibility, but it it's it's it's pursuing your purpose and your vision anyway, in the face of the fact that it might not work out, and that's what's challenging.

The Truth About Entrepreneurship Hype

SPEAKER_00 29:51

It is, it is, and I I I really uh loved what he shared, especially because um this is the exact kind of question I had a few years back that because I see everybody uh kind of you know calling um this uh calling of that now I want to be an entrepreneur because I I do want to enjoy that freedom and I want to get out of that nine to five. Yeah, it could be one of the reason because um it comes from within you, and it's not just simply because you either um because you know the way entrepreneurialism or um this um the the startup culture that's what we call in India, it has been portrayed as that, you know, uh you'll have your success stories, you'll enjoy your freedom, you'll enjoy your um, you know, it's kind of as exactly you said, and it's kind of has been over glamorized. Um and sometimes I think you know that clarity that okay, yeah, maybe I won't be able I I wouldn't be able to contribute in that way in becoming entrepreneur, but at least maybe I can contribute better in in uh being a part of such kind of team, you know, where I directly work with the founders or the entrepreneurs and I help them in getting that idea, getting that vision into fruition. You know, I think that clarity, I really, really, kind of um really admire that kind of clarity because um I mean you know what exactly, you know, um you want to do and it's it doesn't mean that you know you'll always always be successful. Um so that's why going back to something that you mentioned in the beginning is the way we look at failures. I think it should be more a bit more towards the compassion side, not the self-judgment side. The beginners can be very harsh, you know, when especially, I mean, yeah, of course, um I'm not even counting, you know, the external judgments and the questions and the doubts, but at least uh, you know, if if you are in that self-doubt and uh that judgment, and you've you know, you feel like, uh, no, what if I fail or what if this is going to end up in failure? I think that is something where um that inside, you know, looking inside, it kind of becomes like this looking at yourself in the mirror.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

Mm-hmm.

Self Compassion As A Daily Practice

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Oh, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

Yeah. And I I think you made a good point there about self-judgment. You know, I'm I'm a very hard on myself as a person. I always have been, and I think that's a fun a function of um having uh a strict father uh growing up, uh military father, and and you know, uh and and I'm I'm not blaming him because that's undoubtedly how he was with his father. And so in order to give yourself some relief, you need to um adopt the mindset that everyone is doing the best they can with the information that they have at the time. And that way, you know, you stop becoming a victim, you stop blaming other people for your circumstances, I think is is one healthy way to look at at life. And then the other, the other would be you know, self-love and compassion. Um, I've made mistakes uh in my career, I've made mistakes in my my personal life, and because I've been uh prone to beating myself up um uh you know as a characteristic throughout my life, that um I've always taken those stepbacks to heart uh more than I should have. And you know, at the end of the day, that's that's on me, that's my my fault. Um, or not my fault, but that's it's my my um responsibility to change that kind of pattern. And so yeah, I think one of the biggest realizations for me over the past year has been um self-forgiveness, self-love. And that's that's not something you learn, you have to practice it. You have to practice it like regular, and that's why things like journaling uh, you know, is great, or or you know, affirmations in the mirror in the morning, you know, it sounds trite, but it's it if you if you start looking at the positive things and you know saying, okay, well, I screwed that up, but hey ho, you know, life goes on and let's let's move on to the next thing. Um rather than ruminating and lingering in in the same thing. And everyone does it. Everyone does it. It's so much easier said than done. But if you can practice that, and and things like journaling is important, and um, yeah, that's that's what I would say are my two takeaways from that comment.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Well, that's that's uh really helpful. And uh Jen, before we wrap up, I I know we are uh way past our minute, Mark, but still um I want to bring in uh a bit of something that you're doing, uh very specific in in Indalo uh Yalapa. I don't know whether I'm pronouncing it correctly or not.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Now right, in Indalo Yalapa.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Okay, that's beautiful. Okay, thank you so much. And yes, that's a space for people to reconnect with themselves and community. Um and I think there is something really telling about the fact that the thing you are building is essentially the thing that you needed. You know, it it kind of, you know, um, it adds a different kind of um, I don't know, I mean, that uh sense of purpose and dedication um to what you are building. Um so I I want to ask Tim for someone listening who is probably in the messy middle of figuring out what they actually want, not what they should want. Um what's been a practical or um a kind of an introspective or reflective approach that worked for you when you were in that fog?

SPEAKER_01 36:19

It's an

Finding A North Star In The Fog

SPEAKER_01 36:20

interesting question.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

It's a big question.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

Yeah, I mean I th I think uh ask you asking yourself what your future self would um would do in that situation. I I remember when I, you know, had I was working on my project Indolo on as a side project to start off with, and I really wasn't enjoying my my main job, which was paying me, and I really wanted to spend all my time doing Indolo. And um, which I I don't think we we covered exactly what that is. So just for viewers, I'm gonna state what Indolo is very quickly. So I'm building an eco hotel and a wellness sanctuary in partnership with an indigenous community in in Pacific Mexico, and that's what I've been working on for three years now. But I was, you know, it started out as a side project, and and um, you know, I remember having a realization I was on a bus in uh in Canada, um, coming back from a weekend away uh with my friends in in Whistler, and you know, realizing that I had to go back to working on this job that I didn't like the following Monday. Like I had the the Sunday scary, as they call it, um, where you know, you're dreading going to work on that Monday. And and all I could think of was this uh this beach, um, this eco-hotel project that I wanted to get off the ground and just having that little voice in the back of your head being like, what if you weren't all in on this? Like, what if if you made this, you know, not just something that if it works out, great, but something that um that is my North Star. And it doesn't matter what gets in the way, I will find a way to get to my North Star. And and that was kind of a conscious decision that I made in my head, um, saying, like, I don't know, the the journey is gonna look different from what I want. It's gonna look different from what I expect. Um, but I will be willing to kind of ride those waves and whatever, you know, it might come out at the other end looking um, you know, looking completely different, but at least I have my North Star. So I would suggest to someone in that, in that, you know, do I, don't I mindset, um, you know, find a North Star that is purposeful and it isn't based on round money and it's not based around status, it's based around something that's meaningful to you. Um, and just keep that in your the back of your mind going forward and understand that you will fail five or six times, it will take longer than you expect. Um, and you know, I'm still on this journey, so I I can speak from from experience, and I'm still not at the end yet. Um and that, you know, that ties back into the the whole journey, not the destination thing. But yeah, I'd I'd say listen to the little voice and find your North Star. That that would be the the two pieces of advice I have.

SPEAKER_00 39:23

Beautiful, beautiful. And and I also want to bring in another part, um uh because you know, you have talked openly about uh psychedelics being part of your leading journey, uh Tim, and I respect that as your truth. Uh, because you know, uh more than uh the the the good parts, uh the there are there's a lot of misconception, misinformation around it as well. Um I mean maybe not everyone listening is going to walk that path, and that's okay, but still um I think kind of circling back to something we touched upon is um it's not about uh the psychedelics, but it's about the confronting yourself. Um so on on just a regular day, Tim, what does the daily practice of being honest with yourself actually look like for you? You know, let's say you journal or maybe you know, you just have you know, five, ten minutes, you know, depending on you know, that moment of maybe dialogue inner with your inner self. Like how does it look like for you?

Honest Habits That Keep You Grounded

SPEAKER_01 40:39

Yeah, um I I think um journaling is one of them.

SPEAKER_02 40:49

Giving yourself breaks for mental clarity, like I love going for a walk. I love going to the gym. Going to going to the gym is a big thing for me, but sometimes when I'm um in the zone and I'm working hard and I know that what I'm doing is is contributing to the the bigger picture, then I I perhaps, you know, I don't go to the gym, but um I I'll still need to take a break. And so I'll go for a walk. And you know, on that walk, I will, you know, get into a certain mindset about um kind of trying to pull what I want closer to me. And so I'll even like look up at it sounds kind of cringe, but like I'll look up at the sky, like imagine that there's like a little trapdoor in the sky, and that you know, there's a rope hanging down from it, and I like, you know, I'm I pull on the rope almost, and I'm you know, the reality that I want is, you know, I can see it through that trapdoor in the sky, and I've got to get bring it closer to me. And it it's just it's a metaphor in my head, but like um, you know, removing yourself from the your woes or the problems of the day and just being fully present, um, and you know, sitting with yourself and asking asking the universe, you know, for what you want. I I think it's as simple as that. You need to sit there and you need to ask, ask for what you want, because if you don't ask, you don't get. Um, but you have to be in the right mind frame to do that. And so um journaling and um disconnecting, going for walks in nature, all my best ideas have not come from me, sat at a computer cramming for a deadline. They've all come in a place of um, you know, relaxation and and integration. Um and so that that has to become, and it's usually done in nature, which is one of the purposes of um, you know, Indolo is it's a nate it's a nature-based um uh uh idea. Uh and so I think yeah, that's it all comes down to that and uh being able to give yourself some breathing room.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

Wow. Okay. That's that's really interesting. That's really interesting. And yeah, I think uh that's that's really I really appreciate that, honestly, because uh it's it's it's real and it's it's not that you know that dramatic. Um it's often like you know, uh boring or it's it's just our own ways of of kind of noticing that probably nobody uh would probably see, you know, everyone or maybe popularly on on the various media, especially social media. Uh

Indalo Yalapa And How To Follow

SPEAKER_00 43:29

so before we wrap up, Tim, um if our listeners they would like to uh you know get closer to your journey.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

Um or just keep up with what you're building here.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

Yeah, so my um you can follow my my journey on Instagram, on my personal account, which is um my name, so it's at Tim uh S, which is my initial, and then my middle initial, and then Robinson, which is my last name. So Tim S. Robinson, uh, it's the same for TikTok. And if you want to check out our website on the project, it's uh indaloyalapa.com. So that's I n d a l o uh Indalo and then yalapa y-e-l-a-p.com. And it right now it's just a landing page, but you'll see a video of our site uh and our beach lounge. And you can um, yeah, you can also sign up for uh a waiting list and you know to receive some information about the project as it progresses.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

Amazing. Listen, I'll have all the links added in the show notes. And uh thank you so much, Tim, uh, for this really candid conversation. And uh I really, really appreciate it uh for being here.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

Amazing. Well, I really appreciate uh meeting you, Sana, and and thanks for the opportunity. And uh thank you again, yeah. Excellent.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

And yes, listen as if something Tim said today landed for you, uh sit with it for a minute before you scroll on, because the most important conversations aren't the ones you have with podcasts, but they are the ones that you have with yourself afterwards. So if a question came up while you were listening, um maybe you know, today's the day that you let yourself actually answer it. And until next time, this is the Healthy Mind, Healthy Life. I'm Sana, take care of your mind because it's the only place you really live. And I'll catch you in the next episode. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Thanks, Sana.