Healthy Mind, Healthy Life

We are taught early that good decisions come from clean logic. Pros and cons. Spreadsheets. Sound advice from the right people. And yes, those tools matter. But the decisions that actually shape who we become rarely yield to a checklist. They live somewhere quieter, in the body, in our values, in the longing we have spent years explaining away.

In this conversation on Healthy Mind, Healthy Life, host Yusuf welcomes board-certified executive coach and author Stephanie Peirolo, whose new book The Saint and the Drunk offers an internal compass for the moments when no spreadsheet will do. Drawing from the ancient practice of Ignatian discernment and reframed for anyone, religious or not, Stephanie walks us through the genius of the body, the wisdom hidden inside aversion, and why honouring what you actually want is one of the most countercultural things you can do.

A grounding listen for anyone standing at a fork in the road and trying to hear themselves over the noise.

About the Guest:

Stephanie Peirolo is a board-certified executive coach with nearly a decade of experience coaching leaders and teams. She holds a BA in Creative Writing from Stanford and an MA in Transformational Leadership from Seattle University's School of Theology and Ministry. She is the author of The Saint and the Drunk: A Guide to Making the Big Decisions in Your Life, co-host of The Bad Boss Brief podcast, and writes the Fierce Grace newsletter on Substack. Her storytelling has been featured on The Moth and NPR.

Key Takeaways:

• A discernment practice is not the same as a pro-and-cons list. It is a slower, deeper way of asking: what am I actually being called toward?
• The first question is rarely what should I do. The first question is what do I want? And we have been trained to skip past it.
• The "genius of the body" is real information. Comfort, discomfort, attraction, aversion — these are not distractions from clarity, they are part of it.
• Aversion deserves the same respect as attraction. If your body says no to something your culture or family says you must want, that no is data worth listening to.
• Resistance comes in two flavours: the kind that asks for more time and care, and the kind rooted in old people-pleasing patterns. Telling them apart is the work.
• A scavenger hunt for self-knowledge: the books you keep choosing, the films you keep watching, the dreams that keep returning. Pay attention. Your inner life is leaving you clues.
• Discernment is a muscle. Awkward at first. Eventually, second nature.

Connect With Stephanie Peirolo

• 🌐 Website: https://www.speirolo.com/ 
• 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/speirolo
• ✍🏼 Substack — Fierce Grace: https://speirolo.substack.com
• 🎙️ Podcast — The Bad Boss Brief: https://badbossbrief.substack.com
• 📘 Book — The Saint and the Drunk: https://www.amazon.com/Saint-Drunk-Guide-Making-Decisions/dp/1916517110
• 🔗 All links: https://linktr.ee/speirolo

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